by Jeff Jolley
THE FOLLOWING IS THE ONLY REPORT TAKEN BACK-STAGE AT THE NIN/
MARILYN MANSON SHOW IN SALT LAKE CITY, WHERE MARILYN MANSON WAS
BANNED FROM PERFORMING AT AN ALL-AGES SHOW AT THE "DELTA CENTER."
RAD was back- stage with the Jim Rose Circus and NIN watching the
local news reports regarding the Marilyn Manson show. I knew I
had a firm interview set up with the band, but wasn't sure what
would happen with this whole cancellation thing. Immediately
following the report, Marilyn and the band come walking into
the catering area. Everyone asks Marilyn what happens and
talk about the city and plans for the show that night.
This is what Marilyn told RAD right after that.
- What is the History of Marilyn Manson
- Marilyn Manson sort of started coming about in
1990--the name. It's something that sort of came to me from
watching a lot of talk shows and Hollywood Babylon and those
types of things and realize that Marilyn Monroe and Charles
Manson were some of the most memorable people from the '60's for
me. I thought--in the tradition of philosophers like Hegel--the
juxtaposition of diametrically opposed archetypesdiametrically opposed archetypes: taking two
extremes, putting them together, and coming up with something
totally different. And that's kinda what we did with Marilyn
Manson, it's male/female...good/evil...god/satan...push/pull,
whatever words you want to come up with. That kind of defines my
personality and represented the lyrics that I was writing. Then
I met the guitar player and we wrote some songs together. And
from there we just found some other people who were into what we
- How did you meet Trent (Reznor)?
- I met Trent about four or five years ago, and over
the growth of Marilyn Manson I always passed along demo tapes and
things. And then when he got the opportunity to start his own
label, he contacted us. It was perfect for us, because it gave
- What are you about? Identifying the different parts of
society--good and evil?
- We're about that balance, you know. For example, this
really comes into play here in Salt Lake City. It's a very
moral, christian sort of environment, so we're that balance that
has to go against that. We're the devil's advocate, the accuser,
the opposing side, you know, the underdog. That's kind of always
our goal is to be on that side of the fence. We really represent
individuality. Kid's should think for themselves. Not to be
like your friends who think they're individuals, but to be like
yoividuals, but to be like
you. Not to be like us, but to be what YOU are. Our music
doesn't have anything to do with the way you look, or anything
like that, it's what's in your head. Break out of the herd
mentality and realize that it's the hear and now. That there's no
afterlife that's going to justify or punish. You have to make
what you've got now work for you, and realize that everything
pretty much is a lie, everything's a hoax. That's why Marilyn
Manson is such a beyond fake stage name, is to represent that
it's so fake that it becomes real at that point. If you realize
your hypocracy, then you go past it. A lot of people in this
city that have prohibited us from play are sort of cheating
themselves with self-deceit, saying, "It's OK for us to do this
behind closed doors, but they can't do this here." Really all it
comes down to is money, and someone here was at risk of loosing
money, obviously. I don't think it was ever about morals,
because morals are always decided by who has the most artillery
or money. It's not really about what really matters±±no body
really cares about the kids here, nobody cares about exposing the
kids to this obscene Marilyn Manson show, they just care about
money. We, on the other hand, actually DO care about the kids,
and what we're saying is a very harsh reality, and it's not
diluted and wrapped up in lies like their parents wrap are giving
them. That's why their parents don't like it, because on't like it, because we're
ruining their game, their big scam.
I mean, the bottom line is that if any one does find what we do
offensive, they should just turn it off. There's a lack of
listener responsibility. People always want to put the
responsibility on artists, or movies, or T.V. It's kind of late
for that, you know. I was brought up with all of these
things±±T.V. and violence and sex, drugs, rock & roll, caffeine,
sugar, all these things. We've turned out a certain way and
we've become accustomed to it, and now they've decided, "well,
this isn't going to work. Let's use nutrasweet, let's have less
violence." It's too late for that. You've made us out like
this, and you have to deal with it.
It's not that bad. I'm not saying we're "bad" from our
perspective. We're moral people. We're not trying to be
immoral. We're just showing them that not everyone has the same
morals. This is what we believe, and you believe what you want.
- You're with N.I.N. on a HUGE tour. Is that great
exposure? Is this the directions that Marilyn Manson wants to go
- Um.... We're not going to try and kid anyone and say,
"we don't want to become popular, and anyone to know who we are."
That's part of being a band, being entertainers. The more people
that we reach, the better. I don't want to remain an underground
secret. However, we still want to hang on r, we still want to hang on to what we're about.
We're not going to change what we're doing to fit into that.
Like tonight, for example, they asked us to change what we do and
we could play, and we said, "no" and they refused to let us play.
This tour has been great exposure and we have no complaints at
all about it.
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